This is obvious, but the majority of transphobia can be traced back to cis people thinking their opinion is…
"because they are men it is vitally important to both cis and trans women that they be kept out."
So we acknowledge that males are threats to females—you’d even go so far as to say that “it is vitally important that they be kept out”
So you do acknowledge that males in female spaces are a threat, you’re just going to pretend that a female who transitions and occupies the “man” role in society is somehow a greater threat than a male who has undoubtedly been exposed to entitlement and misogynistic attitudes towards women from birth, and who has transitioned to occupy the social marker “woman”.
Funny, you agree with what we’re saying (males are threats to females and should not be allowed in female-only spaces), but try to pin the aggression and harm on the wrong people.
1) Trans women aren’t men.
3) Yes, trans men are men and can be just as misogynist and dangerous as cis men.
3) See this essay about the exposure of trans women to misogyny and how it actually affects us. Also, how it can affect trans men.
4) Tactics 2, 3, 4. Socialization is magic, trans men/women are actually women/men, trans women are violent. Three tired radfem tropes, none of which are actually anything but invective against trans women.
5) Honestly, I think it is weird that any woman would be okay with someone in a women-only space who lives his life as a man, identifies as a man, and has male privilege just because at birth he was assigned the female sex (which if you have any intellectual honesty you should admit that birth sex assignments are actually gender assignments and part of the violence of gender), while being opposed to allowing in someone who lives her life as a woman, identifies as a woman, and does not have male privilege.
Oh boy, I am so glad the universe has dropped you in my lap.
I’ve had such a shitty day, and you’re gonna make it aaaaaall better.
So, let’s address your points.
1) Trans women are male.
If they weren’t, there’d be no need to transition. They are born male, raised male, experience male socialization, and access the privileges offered to males. The fact that they subsequently transition (and even transition doesn’t change the underlying anatomy, only the secondary sex characteristics—and unreliably, at that!), doesn’t change the preceding years.
2) That’s actually incorrect.
Trans men are born female, receive female socialization and retain said socialization subsequent to transitioning. Additionally, since you obviously don’t know shit about anything, allow me to disabuse you of the notion that trans men are as violent and dangerous as cis men.
For example, I have yet to find an example in the literature of trans men having rates of rape, assault, murder or paedophilia even on parity with cis men. Literally, none, and trust me, I have looked.
The burden of proof is on you; provide me citations or retract the claim.
3 Lovely essay.
It even agrees with me:
That a person whose assigned sex feels ‘wrong’ to them will acquire different self-beliefs and behaviours than a person whose assigned sex feels ‘right’
That as a transsexual person moves away from the sex they are assigned at birth to assert their self-identified sex, they typically apply new beliefs to themselves based on what they have learned about the sex role associated with that sex
That this does not lead to identical self-beliefs and behaviour as if the person was cissexual, because people assigned different sexes at birth receive different programmes of sex role education
See? It clearly states that while trans individuals whose sex feels “wrong” will attempt to emulate the behaviours associated with the target gender, they will not have the same behaviours.
And why will they have different behaviours?
Why, because they “receive different prorammes of sex role education”.
So, let’s be frank. If you’re born and raised a boy, with all the privileges that entails, you’re not getting the same messages as those born and raised a girl will get. That means that at best, any social transitioning will be from observation, not experience.
Watching a bird fly doesn’t make you a bird, and it certainly doesn’t mean that if you jump off a building, you’ll be able to flap your arms and fly away. The essay even admits to that. Why won’t you?
Socialization is magic
No, you mean friendship is magic. Socialization is the life-long process by which individuals learn the social rules and mores of their given cultural context.
It is especially prevalent in early childhood, which is when the child is learning what is and is not appropriate behaviour, as well as how the world of adults will eventually treat them.
As stated in Zero to Three, an early-childhood site for parents:
The major difference between brain development in a child versus learning an adult is a matter of degree: the brain is far more impressionable (neuroscientists use the term plastic) in early life than in maturity
So what we learn early on is of critical importance to us later in life, and directly influences the adults we will become.
How strange, then, that the sex roles begin to be codified in early childhood.
There was a stronger tendency for both male and female adults to utilize sex-stereotyped toys when the child was introduced as a girl. Most of the findings, however, reflected a differential response of men and women to the absence of gender information. In this condition, male subjects employed a neutral toy most frequently and handled the child least; in contrast, females used more stereotyped toys and handled the child more. All subjects attempted to guess the gender of the child (with “boy” guesses more frequent, although the child was actually female) and all justified their guess on the basis of stereotyped behavioral or physical cues like strength or softness.
That’s from the Baby X study, which looked at how adults will react to a child when told it’s one gender or another (regardless of the actual sex of the child in question, hence, baby X). The study found that infants are handled differently, their parents consistently underestimate the strength of female infants, and that by toddlerhood, not only were boys being given more attention in the classroom, but that a home, chores were gender-distributed, with girls doing more than their brothers.
So until some extremely self-aware and self-actualized trans girl decides to sit a discussion out because the rest of the girls aren’t being asked to talk (and even then, choosing to opt in isn’t breaking the system, it’s shoring it up), there’s no way that a boy will understand what it’s like to be a girl (and vice versa)
trans men/women are actually women/men
Take that shit up with biology, not me. There isn’t a surgeon alive who can turn a male skeleton into a female one, just like there isn’t a geneticist who can implant mDNA into a male cell. At best, the changes are cosmetic (secondary sex changes—breasts, etc, neo-vaginas), and are subject to remission should the treatment and aftercare stop (hence why trans women must dilate their neo-vaginas frequently—otherwise, they’d close).
So, you wanna argue that point, take it up with the god of your choice, and don’t bring this magical thinking to me, because it will not fly.
trans women are violent
Oh, you say that’s a falsehood created to detract from trans women?
Huh. That’s weird.
Let’s start with the statistics, shall we? (This is my favourite part. I’m such a pedant.)
Second, regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime
Oh, guess that kinda killed that argument, no?
I could always bust out the anecdotal evidence to corroborate the point. I got death threats on christmas eve saying they were going to dox and murder me (how’s that workin for ya, champs?). Not ten days ago, some little shit-smear was talking about “bring me a terf’ and waving a knife around.
"Die Cis Scum" came from a Neo-Nazi carrying a baseball bat, trans activists have surrounded private residences in an attempt to intimidate radfems attending a convention…
The list goes on. Y’all act violent and entitled—which is undoubtedly a result of being socialized as males in a society that prioritizes violence and conquest as high-status pursuits.
(I have faith y’all can break the cycle, though. Even after one of your brave compatriots threatened to “fuck me with a chainsaw”.)
birth sex assignments are actually gender assignments and part of the violence of gender
Really? So someone looking down and saying “Oh, that’s a female infant” is violent? Sex isn’t violent. Sex is what chromosomes, what skeleton, what gametes and what organs you have.
Gender, the thing your team likes fucking with and transitioning through and queering—that’s the shit that’s killing women. If it weren’t for bullshit gender roles, women wouldn’t be seen as expendable and interchangeable holes.
How can radfems, who seek to break the cycle that keeps women in bondage and murdered, ever see eye to eye with a group of people who seek to reify the same system that screws us into the dirt without the decency of lube (sometimes literally, thanks much).
You want to know why we—females, women—feel safer with a trans man than a trans woman?
Easy. Because we can look at them and see kin—we can see someone who knows what it feels like to be passed over in school, bullied and harassed for being female, who survived infancy in a world gone hostile to young girls.
We can see someone who will help us, because they were us, once upon a time.
Why don’t we feel safe with a trans woman?
Maybe because trans women commit violent crimes with the same rate as men, but they’re allowed in our spaces. Maybe because some of us have received death threats and/or sexually charged harassment? Maybe because these are individuals who have no first-hand experience with growing up as girls, no idea what it feels like to have a rape schedule, or be systematically devalued educationally, financially, economically and systematically.
And maybe some of us are just lesbians who are sick to death of trans women telling us we should be down to suck their dicks.
That’s always another consideration.
So, to make a long post incrementally longer:
Your points are weak, your science (when present—which was rarely) is poor, and your question merely illustrated the depth of your ignorance.